Talk:Spratly Islands dispute
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Islets occupied by each country
editAccording to the infobox in our article, there are 36 islets in the Spratly Islands. The islets occupied by each country are as follows:
1. Philippines – 11 islets
2. Vietnam – 9 islets
3. China (PRC) – 7 islets
4. Malaysia – 6 islets
5. Taiwan (ROC) – 2 islets
6. Brunei – 1 islet
According to this website, there are 35 islets in the Spratly Islands. The islets occupied by each country are as follows:
1. Vietnam – 21 islets
2. China (PRC) – 8 islets
3. Philippines – 5 islets
4. Taiwan (ROC) – 1 islet (Zhongzhou Reef is included as a part of Taiping Island)
5. Brunei – 0 islets
6. Malaysia – 0 islets
There is no source for our infobox. Saying the Philippines occupies most islets doesn't seem to be correct. I remember reading an article about the Spratly Islands dispute and it states that the vast majority of the islets are occupied by Vietnam. The information provided by the link seems to be more accurate about the number of islets occupied by Vietnam, but stating that Malaysia occupies 0 islets also doesn't seem to be correct. Could anyone provide a more accurate source for this issue? 2001:8003:9008:1301:796B:198E:C28E:A09B (talk) 14:20, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
Short description is wrong
editThe short description is wrong or an oversimplification. The dispute over the Spratly Islands is not simply just between China and the Southeast Asian countries and that's it. Instead, it involves multiple countries disputing one other with overlapping claims, including China, Vietnam, the Philippines, Malaysia, Brunei, and Taiwan. And hypothetically if you took China out of the dispute today, the Spratly Islands dispute would still be active and ongoing due to the overlapping claims from other countries. As Vietnam opposes Taiwan's claims, and the Philippines disputes the claims of Vietnam and Taiwan, both of which claim the entire Spratly Islands. I don't know how to change the short description but it currently overlook the complexities of the dispute and writes it as "Territorial dispute between China and Southeast Asian countries". Which is wrong as it creates a very skewed understanding. Can someone fix it? 49.180.183.134 (talk) 07:39, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- Just an update: I figured out how to correct short description by editing via source editing. So I already just modified it to reflect the full complexity of the dispute which is composed of multiple dimensions, and not just limited to a single dimension. Though if anyone thinks that's wrong, then you can talk about it here. 49.180.183.134 (talk) 07:58, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- Yes excellent point(s). Was hardly neutral as written. Its very hard to keep such controversial articles neutral and write concise short descriptions that are not oversimplifications or that do not annoy someone with a CoI. ChaseKiwi (talk) 10:35, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
South China Sea
editThere is presently no evidence of consensus that name of sea is West Philippines Sea. This topic has come up recently also at Talk:Kalayaan, Palawan and has multiple other historic discussions on articles relevant to dispute. ChaseKiwi (talk) 05:50, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
Time line of other events
editCan I suggest that this is not very useful, repeats earlier information in page mainly, and almost all content could be moved or deleted (if unreferenced) without loss of cited information to Timeline of the South China Sea dispute as long as my just added wikilink to this article is kept. However I do note that the timeline has been used recently for Spratley specific events which do not appear presently in such detail in the other timeline on page Timeline of the South China Sea dispute. Can a consensus be reached that we rename to Timeline Spratley specific events and remove most of timeline as way forward. ChaseKiwi (talk) 15:05, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
Removal Unreliable source flag
editThe removal of several long standing 2016 {{Unreliable source?}} markers with regard to one news organ source was done without discussion or evidence that this source was reliable at the time statements made. I have reverted (marking each incident with the 2016 reason) and created this section in talk so as to allow justification with evidence. As per top of this page the subject matter is controversial and so it may be appropriate to use POV sources that are essentially primary sources, but not overtly so, when there are no better primary, secondary or tertiary sources. It is possible that the editor concerned did not realise this action removed the Category:All articles lacking reliable references which is quite likely to apply here given the controversy. ChaseKiwi (talk) 23:27, 6 November 2024 (UTC)