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Merging regional league divisions

I've noticed on non-league articles how specific divisions are merged into one league article (e.g. Northern Premier League which has Premier and One seperate divisions, West of Scotland Football League which has Premier, First, Second, Third, Fourth seperate divisions). According to this discussion, it was deemed that national divisions are notable enough for their own individual article, but the regional/non-league ones may not be. Feel like this should be the same for our non-league pages. FastCube (talk) 06:31, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

At what level do you think merging is required? the levels below the main NPL? It might be a different requirement for the different federations. Matilda Maniac (talk) 08:42, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

The main NPL runs through mutliple federations, but as one league (and now one division each), so I think it should stay as it is. For state leagues (the ones below NPL), the leagues with multiple divisions should be merged into the one league article. Essentially the league's divisions should be merged based on the federation running it. FastCube (talk) 09:21, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

My opinion is the format that exists like 2024 in Queensland soccer as a single summary of all the leagues/divisions/genders/major cup competitions is still better for annual/season data. However, if you are looking at merging existing articles like Football West State League Division 1 and Football West State League Division 2 into a single article, then I'd be supportive of that approach. Matilda Maniac (talk) 15:33, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

I'm not convinced on the notability for season articles run by non-national federations (take England's regional-feeder leagues as an example (Level 11 of pyramid); those not under the jurisdiction of a national FA) so that also might need to be talked about, but the main focus for now is the merging of divisions into the one league. FastCube (talk) 01:01, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

@FastCube: Why exactly are you doing this? Surely this warrants talking about before just mass merging these? I can see this causing people to recreate these when the state feds inevitably change the names of their leagues in 2-3 seasons time, like they always do. - J man708 (talk) 19:11, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

I don't believe competition name changes justify the need for individiual articles for each division of each league run by a non-national federation. When looking through all the articles per league division, they essentially had no coverage, no references, essentially losing its notability (maybe except for FQPL 2), but it's just like how England's regional feeder leagues divisions articles went; hence their merging. Understood this can cause confusion on historically what league is being read, but notes can be made: (e.g. VPL 1 and 2 was NPL 2 and 3, part of the NPL system, before forming the VPL) FastCube (talk) 01:37, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

I get that, but then we're in a weird spot where someone like Capital Football's State League starts a tier lower than the others. Unfortunately, not all state leagues are created equally, it seems. I've always found that players are deemed notable at A-League level, clubs at NPL level/state league level before the NPL, and leagues are even at amateur level, which is why pages like this are around. - J man708 (talk) 02:32, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

Ruon Tongyik contract

Hi all, I'd appreciate more eyes and thoughts on the dicussion regarding Tongyik's contract status at the talk page here. Cheers, --SuperJew (talk) 13:01, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

Heritage component of Current clubs within the Victorian NPL article

Recently, some discussion and reverts with @Nzs9: about whether an additional column in a Table about Current clubs for the National Premier Leagues Victoria is needed to collate the clubs' ethnic heritage. Likely little traffic at the article's Talk Page so bringing the discussion here to a somewhat wider audience.

My view is to remove, on the basis of being a very minor statistic, bordering on WP:FANCRUFT, and such information, if relevant, can often be gleaned from the history section of each club's Wikepedia page. The former ethnicity or heritage is not relevant information to which clubs are competing, and as an example, such bespoke information is not considered needed on the equivalent articles for the other NPL member federation articles (NSW, NNSW, Qld, SA, Tas or WA). There is a new article for the next lower divisions - Victorian Premier League - with a dozen edits, and the format of this article essentially copy/pastes the same formats.Matilda Maniac (talk) 09:54, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

Remove - Only see this opening yet another can of worms. - J man708 (talk) 07:42, 18 March 2025 (UTC)

Keep - been there for a while and is valuable to the article, would be minor in other leagues though. Nzs9 (talk) 07:14, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

List of foreign Australian State League players

Someone explain what this article is? If anything this is not notable and very confused on this as there is clearly no "Australian State League" competition. FastCube (talk) 09:28, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

Title aside, it could work with effective inclusion criteria like actually having an article. Hack (talk) 02:44, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

Of what? Still don't know what this article represents besides the foreign players part. FastCube (talk) 04:43, 27 March 2025 (UTC)